Thiamine (vitamin B1) from Food

​Some people can’t seem to tolerate any form of thiamine after trying them all.
Despite taking all the known cofactors to help utilization.
 
Sometimes supplements just don’t work.
Or even with some results do not have full results that are possible—and they might not even know that.  
Better is not always best.
 
Problems with isolated supplements:

• Lacking cofactor nutrients for absorption.
• Not just the known cofactors, but unknown cofactors, the indirect cofactors, cofactors of the cofactors, that are not addressed by taking other isolated supplements.
• Synthesized, not even the natural version of thiamine.
• Impurities in capsules.
• Not getting 100 nutrients that you would get from food, things you need but were not looking for, that might not be directly related to thiamine deficiency, but is related to results.

I find that some isolated minerals are more likely to work than isolated vitamins.
I try to find whole food solutions even when using isolates, as they may both be necessary.
 
I’ve tolerated supplements for thiamine but have much better results with whole foods.
The problem with thiamine is that is it is scattered in small amounts among all the food groups varies within them, so it’s hard to keep track of.
Except grains and beans, which could provide enough with the amounts people ate, but many people have cut these out of their diets.
 
Thiamine deficiency was studied in Japan as the result of milling brown rice into white rice that lacked thiamine.
This condition was called ‘beri beri,” which translates into “can’t do it.” That’s a great description of an early chronic fatigue diagnosis.
 
The food based thiamine challenge is to look up each food group for the thiamine content and find foods you can tolerate and are compatible with your diet orientation.
There are many data bases you can find yourself.
Study food for a change, rather than shop for supplements.
No one knows how much thiamine you need if you are deficient. You have to experiment and see how it goes.
 
I’m not going to give my personal favorites because getting specific about foods just invites people to complain they are allergic to that food. Especially people with oxalates these days.
Complaining is not helpful information, the whole world does not have stop to solve someone’s problem, and we can’t solve problems in comments by guessing.
 
If someone is allergic to everything and tolerates supplements, then by all means use supplements for now. Or do both. 
 
Try to be aware of one sided thinking behind supplements.
 
There is a trade-off between scientific methods to isolate variables to get measurable research results, versus getting practical results by utilizing more nutrients for a more complete solution although it may be more chaotic with unknowns.
 
Reductionist habits of thought are too common.
It takes more time to think in terms of a system holistically.  
Supplement thinking is often based on a narrow understanding of things, like the medical paradigm.
“Take this for that.”
What is the “active ingredient” to isolate.
The need to standardize extracts to make sure you get enough.
But this takes for granted that an isolate works as well.  
It idolizes measurement.
You only get what is on the product label.
If the meat label only has protein and fat, then there are no minerals and vitamins in there. That is why people who thrive on carnivore do so on a diet without minerals and vitamins.
 
There are scientists that understand the vast complexity of connections, but the info is not being utilized in medicine or by supplement companies.
Everyone is looking for “take-aways.”
It’s fine to want operational knowledge, as engineers would say, rather than self-referential scientific discussions, but over simplification is impractical.
 
The state of science is much more incomplete that people think.
If people always waited for “the science” there would be no innovation.
 
There is sometimes a lack of trust in nature to have a design with hundreds of nutrient chemicals in plants and animals.  
There is a lack of cultivating the use of one’s own feedback about what works.
Science is also about experimenting not just deducing from studies.  

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